What!? Not Talk About the Trinity ?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I do know there is some truth in what you are saying!
For crying out load Rajk999 I've told you that time and time again, but you are missing the
point over and over! You will never be good enough on your own by doing works to please
God! There are not enough good works to do!

The good works deal, isn't that an attempt to bribe your god? I would think an omniscient being would see through that to the motivation behind it. Of course I am talking theoretically here.

Originally posted by FMF
Do you really think that counting the number of books in the New Testament - and saying what that number is - is analogous to projecting something like the notion of the Trinity onto the text?

What did you think in those far off distant days when you were a disciple of Jesus ?

Originally posted by sonship
What did you think in those far off distant days when you were a disciple of Jesus ?

This is a dodge on your part. You seemed to me to say something daft. Either admit it or stand by it. Don't just deflect.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I do know there is some truth in what you are saying!
For crying out load Rajk999 I've told you that time and time again, but you are missing the
point over and over! You will never be good enough on your own by doing works to please
God! There are not enough good works to do!

A couple points you should consider:

1. Where did you get the idea that those who do good works are on their own? God is with those people. God is working through those people. God is IN THOSE PEOPLE. You think Christians have a monopoly on God .. thats your problem.

2. For Jesus Christ good works are enough. Who are you to say otherwise. Why do you people speak against the clear teachings of Christ with such impunity and arrogance. Clearly you place church doctrine over that of Christ.

3. This teaching from the Christian church .. good works does not please God, which is a complete lie, is the reason why Christians are the most crooked, greedy, selfish, worldly stingy religion on the planet.

Originally posted by FMF
This is a dodge on your part. You seemed to me to say something daft. Either admit it or stand by it. Don't just deflect.

Tell us what your experience was before you became enlightened that there was no Trinity figure. Did you love the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit in those days before you woke up to see there was no Trinity figure ?

So now you love the Triune God figure no longer because you know the God figure you knew before was not real?

Originally posted by sonship
Tell us what your experience was before you became enlightened that there was no Trinity figure. Did you love the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit in those days before you woke up to see there was no Trinity figure ?

So now you love the Triune God figure no longer because you know the God figure you knew before was not real?

I am not a Christian, sonship. The question I raised with you concerns a parallel you drew between superimposing your Trinity ideology onto the Bible and superimposing a count of the number of books onto it - a parallel that you drew here yesterday. If you feel you have to dodge it, so be it.

Originally posted by FMF

I am not a Christian, sonship.

But you said you WERE. You were. You say you were as I am now - a lover of the Lord Jesus. That's the impression you've communicated several times.

So I am fascinated now in you past Christian life. I know you're sore on the Gospel now. I want to hear about those golden days when your steps were washed in milk and your friends heeded your preaching of the Good News that you yourself believed.

When was the first moment that you realized following the Jesus figure was not real anymore. You are obviously on some kind of mission, a mission coined as "Feedback".

Three months before you realized God was not real, how had you consecrated your life to serve God ?

The question I raised with you concerns a parallel you drew between superimposing your Trinity ideology onto the Bible and superimposing a count of the number of books onto it - a parallel that you drew here yesterday. If you feel you have to dodge it, so be it.

I would much rather you talk about those days - bible under arm, speaking to lost sinners, praying for people, YOU were as I am now. Maybe you'll be able to outline how I could get out from under the spell ( as Daniel Dennett puts it ) .

Did some offense cause you to have second thoughts on the Jesus you preached to others ? Did some Pastor make a pass at your wife ? What happened ?

How did you break the spell ??? Look FMF, its time for you to cut to the chase.
Show me how you got out.

Originally posted by sonship

I am not a Christian, sonship.

But you said you WERE. You were. You say you were as I am now - a lover of the Lord Jesus. That's the impression you've communicated several times.

So I am fascinated now in you past Christian life. I know you're sore on the Gospel now. I want to hear about those golden days when you ...[text shortened]... break the spell ??? Look FMF, its time for you to cut to the chase.
Show me how you got out.

More evasion.

Originally posted by FMF
More evasion.

Doesn't have to be. You could just tell us about your past Christian experience.

Originally posted by sonship
Tell us what your experience was before you became enlightened that there was no Trinity figure. Did you love the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit in those days before you woke up to see there was no Trinity figure ?

So now you love the Triune God figure no longer because you know the God figure you knew before was not real?

Why should anyone answer your questions, especially personal ones, when you point blank refuse to answer questions about your own beliefs - beliefs which you propagate in this forum week in week out?

Originally posted by divegeester
Why should anyone answer your questions, especially personal ones, when you point blank refuse to answer questions about your own beliefs - beliefs which you propagate in this forum week in week out?

Let's just say that I am as bored with his questions to me as he is of my week in week out propagating.

A change of pace is welcome. FMF advertizes that he's a recovered evangelical. Let him tell us all about his process of personal recovery.

I've been plenty personal with threads on Calling and Prayreading and other practical personal experiences that I recommend because they personally enriched by Christian faith.

Why can't he tell us all about what enriched his personal decision to shift to unbelief ?
He advertizes it enough.

Originally posted by sonship
Let's just say that I am as bored with his questions to me as he is of my week in week out propagating.

A change of pace is welcome. FMF advertizes that he's a recovered evangelical. Let him tell us all about his process of personal recovery.

I've been plenty personal with threads on [b]Calling and Prayreading and other practical personal ...[text shortened]... all about what enriched his personal decision to shift to unbelief ?
He advertizes it enough.[/b]

sonship, I am not a Christian. I don't speak to you as a Christian. I know you have had lean forum times of late and your pettiness has been exposed, but your reaction seems to be to go on one of your great big pouts.

Originally posted by FMF
sonship, I am not a Christian. I don't speak to you as a Christian. I know you have had lean forum times of late and your pettiness has been exposed, but your reaction seems to be to go on one of your great big pouts.

sonship, I am not a Christian. I don't speak to you as a Christian. I know you have had lean forum times of late and your pettiness has been exposed, but your reaction seems to be to go on one of your great big pouts.

I know that you are no longer a Christian. You have told us many times. You're like Shane ( a veteran gunslinger) trying to make a new life from the old Jesus loving Christian life you deludedly followed for thirty years.

How are you going to help others to the road of recovery unless you detail how you one day broke the spell ? - awakening to the understanding " Loving God was a vanity, a waste of a human life. "

If you loved God on day N, what caused you to realize you didn't love this imaginary God after all on day N+1 ?

Originally posted by sonship
I know that you are no longer a Christian. You have told us many times. You're like Shane ( a veteran gunslinger) trying to make a new life from the old Jesus loving Christian life you deludedly followed for thirty years.

How are you going to help others to the road of recovery unless you detail how you one day broke the spell ? - awakening to the und ...[text shortened]... d on day N, what caused you to realize you didn't love this imaginary God after all on day N+1 ?

I am not a Christian sonship. I'm not going to toss some discarded and discredited cant and ideology - which I may have been taken with at some point in the past - at you, no matter how much you squirm and pout, as you are, under the burden of defending or explaining your own beliefs,

Originally posted by sonship

sonship, I am not a Christian. I don't speak to you as a Christian. I know you have had lean forum times of late and your pettiness has been exposed, but your reaction seems to be to go on one of your great big pouts.

I know that you are no longer a Christian. You have told us many times. You're like Shane ( a veteran gunslinger) trying ...[text shortened]... d on day N, what caused you to realize you didn't love this imaginary God after all on day N+1 ?

He doesn't seem as eager to answer questions as he does to ask them. I wonder why?