What!? Not Talk About the Trinity ?

Originally posted by Rajk999
So according to you the thousands to which Jesus preached are all hopelessly lost. What about the millions who followed Jesus's teachings who did not hear of the Apostles? All lost according to you. Yep .. no point talking further to you. What about the millions who live righteously now? You think there are no such people, right?

Matt 7: 13-14 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Romans 3:22-24New International Version (NIV)
This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

First off it isn't up to me what is true that is God's realm not mine. I cannot judge truth by
what sounds good, or if we believe this more people will not suffer than if we believe that!
No one lives righteously now, no one ever has except the Lord. All of us have sinned there
is none that has done it right. I'll assume you believing people can and do live righteously
without Jesus is just you. So can we walk righteously, yes, but only in the Spirit of God. If
you think otherwise show me in scripture why you think that. You seem to be under the
illusion that some of us are living good lives without Jesus! That is not a truth you will find
in the Bible.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Matt 7: 13-14 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Romans 3:22-24New International Version (NIV)
This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. Th ...[text shortened]... some of us are living good lives without Jesus! That is not a truth you will find
in the Bible.

You cannot read.

Jesus preached to people. They believed and they obeyed. They therefore have Jesus.
How do you have Jesus any more than these people that Jesus preached to.
Please explain that. Thank you.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You cannot read.

Jesus preached to people. They believed and they obeyed. They therefore have Jesus.
How do you have Jesus any more than these people that Jesus preached to.
Please explain that. Thank you.

Romans 3:22-24New International Version (NIV)
This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

You do realize Jesus is not limited to just those during the time He walked the earth as
one of us correct? You grasp the fact He was, is, and will be?

John 17:
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”



Is Jesus in you, or are you just working your butt off trying to be worthy?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Is Jesus in you, or are you just working your butt off trying to be worthy?

What about you?

Do you believe both [1] that you have "Jesus in you"? and [2] that you are working your butt off trying to be worthy?

Or do you believe [1] makes [2] unnecessary?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Romans 3:22-24New International Version (NIV)
This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

You do realize Jesus is not limit ...[text shortened]... be in them.”



Is Jesus in you, or are you just working your butt off trying to be worthy?

Sounds like you believe that those Jesus preached to are lost because Jesus told them to do good works. I get it.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Sounds like you believe that those Jesus preached to are lost because Jesus told them to do good works. I get it.

Nope you don't seem to have a clue no matter how many times you have been told.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Nope you don't seem to have a clue no matter how many times you have been told.

Jesus was a false preacher .. according to you. Good luck with that doctrine. 😀

Originally posted by Rajk999
Jesus was a false preacher .. according to you. Good luck with that doctrine. 😀

You must get some twisted joy out of lying and misrepresenting others statements you do
it so often. We are saved by grace through faith and this not of ourselves, and we will do
the works God has for us. With you that turns Jesus into something false? What is
false is your doctrine that we can be saved by good works without Jesus.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You must get some twisted joy out of lying and misrepresenting others statements you do
it so often. We are saved by grace through faith and this not of ourselves, and we will do
the works God has for us. With you that turns Jesus into something false? What is
false is your doctrine that we can be saved by good works without Jesus.

So I keep asking you where did Jesus say this:

We are saved by grace through faith and this not of ourselves, and we will do
the works God has for us.

And the answer is NOWHERE. Yet you have it as your mantra. So if this is so critical according to you and Jesus preached to many thousands and He NEVER SAID IT, then Jesus is a false preacher who misled people.

Originally posted by Rajk999
So I keep asking you where did Jesus say this:

[b]We are saved by grace through faith and this not of ourselves, and we will do
the works God has for us.

And the answer is NOWHERE. Yet you have it as your mantra. So if this is so critical according to you and Jesus preached to many thousands and He NEVER SAID IT, then Jesus is a false preacher who misled people.[/b]

He said in in Ephesians by way of revelation to his Apostle Paul.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Same... As you, small independent group and have been known to visit local churches. ...What I mean is using words like deity is another way of saying Jesus is God.

How did you come to believe that Jesus is not God; were you taught that, if so by which church or sect?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
He said in in Ephesians by way of revelation to his Apostle Paul.

So something that important and critical [apparently] for eternal life, you say that Jesus had to send people to say it. Could he not have said it himself as well? No?

Originally posted by Rajk999
So something that important and critical [apparently] for eternal life, you say that Jesus had to send people to say it. Could he not have said it himself as well? No?

Ahh... So by your thinking, everything important is in the four gospels? So we don't need the rest of the bible?
It sure would make study much simpler for me. It would reduce the bible to four books instead of 66.

Originally posted by divegeester
How did you come to believe that Jesus is not God; were you taught that, if so by which church or sect?

What is really important is what the bible teaches. The words of God are my authority.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Ahh... So by your thinking, everything important is in the four gospels? So we don't need the rest of the bible?
It sure would make study much simpler for me. It would reduce the bible to four books instead of 66.

Everything essential for eternal life is easyily understood in the 4 gospels Yes. If that were not the case then Jesus is a liar. He was not really the way, the truth and the light as he claimed. But he is and as he always said it is the fool that does not follow his teachings.

As for study, people think that is a substitute for following Christ. They are mistaken.