Originally posted by checkbaiterYes I agree, on both counts.
What is really important is what the bible teaches. The words of God are my authority.
But I'm not asking you about authority or correctness, we know we disagree on it. My enquiry is how you came to understand/believe that Jesus is not God...which church or sect taught you?
Originally posted by Rajk999You believe Jesus is the Word of God? If so why do you seem to be making a distinction
For me personally I would say that Jesus is my authority.
between the Word of God through Jesus, and the Word of God through the Spirit of God
as God uses one of us? Do you put God at odds with Himself with respect to His truth?
Originally posted by KellyJayWho is 'one of us'.?
You believe Jesus is the Word of God? If so why do you seem to be making a distinction
between the Word of God through Jesus, and the Word of God through the Spirit of God
as God uses one of us? Do you put God at odds with Himself with respect to His truth?
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Originally posted by divegeesterYour question is inappropriate. I stand by the bible, nothing else.
Yes I agree, on both counts.
But I'm not asking you about authority or correctness, we know we disagree on it. My enquiry is how you came to understand/believe that Jesus is not God...which church or sect taught you?
Originally posted by KellyJayWhere have you been? Clearly, Rajk does not consider anyone here to be on his 'special snowflake' level. Perhaps this is why he refuses Christ's commandment to show love for his Christian brothers: he doesn't count any in this forum to be his "Christian brother". This is exactly how Robbie avoids the issue as well.
I've always assume you were human, have you been hiding something from us?
Originally posted by checkbaiterHow on earth is my question, on a spirituality discussion forum, about your spiritual beliefs, inappropriate?
Your question is inappropriate. I stand by the bible, nothing else.
Like sonship you seem to be diligent and sincere, but as a Christian you do hold a strange, or rather an unusual belief, that Jesus is not God. Most Christians believe Jesus was God incarnate.
Asking you how you have come to believe this is a perfectly normal question, and you getting all furtive about it just piques my interest even more.
So why don't you want to discuss how you have come to believe this about Jesus; what Christian sect did you learn this teaching from?
Originally posted by SuzianneThis woolly lash-out at Rakj999 - rather than actually addressing the ideas he brings to the discussion - is, of course "...exactly how Robbie avoids the issue as well". On some level you know this to be so.
Where have you been? Clearly, Rajk does not consider anyone here to be on his 'special snowflake' level. Perhaps this is why he refuses Christ's commandment to show love for his Christian brothers: he doesn't count any in this forum to be his "Christian brother". This is exactly how Robbie avoids the issue as well.
Modalism is the non-trinitarian idea that the one God revealed Himself in different Modes so to speak right ? I guess I differ just because the belief is that God existed in the mode of the Father before the birth of Jesus then in the incarnation He existed as the son and then at the ascension in the mode of the spirit but never simultaneously but we can see examples of all three existing at the same time in the bible .....it seems contradictory in a sense but God is one and yet we do see a triune-ness I don't think we can escape that fact if we look at the bible closely .....I do agree though that the word trinity is a man made concept once again man trying to comprehend the very nature of God ....It amazes me how much Christians fight over this subject .....yet they forget as Paul taught we can become a noisy gong and if we have not love then that is all that we are !! When Jesus comes out of the water after being baptized by John ...we see the spirit in the form of a dove and the voice of the father saying this is my son in whom I am well pleased ....Jesus was there at the founding of the creation and the spirit hovered over the waters it reads in Genesis ......anyway to hate or kill or argue with malice with others over the Trinity is not of God .....
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Originally posted by SuzianneWhen Jesus was informed that his immediate family were waiting for him what did he say?
Where have you been? Clearly, Rajk does not consider anyone here to be on his 'special snowflake' level. Perhaps this is why he refuses Christ's commandment to show love for his Christian brothers: he doesn't count any in this forum to be his "Christian brother". This is exactly how Robbie avoids the issue as well.
While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Are these persons that you mention my Christian brothers? Yes if they are doing the will of the Father. Are they doing the will of the Father? I doubt many understand what the will of the Father is. I know you don't because I have asked you many times.