Why aren't you shouting in the street?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Don't say you tried all that and it didn't work, because then either you or God would be lying. Guess who I would believe?

I did try it. For a long time. And, ultimately, it didn't work. Telling an unbeliever and non-Christian that "either you or God would be lying" is for the birds. It's also another old hat. 😉

Originally posted by FMF
My escape from Christianity was caused by being open-minded.

Your rejection of the faith was caused by being open minded to that which is contrary to the truth of God's Word.

When you say that the Word of a God is not the Word of God, then what you are really saying is that the Word of God is a lie.

2 Peter 1:19-21
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

Your alleged "escape" from "Christianity" is nothing less than a failure to believe the truth. Far, far from anything even remotely open minded.

Originally posted by josephw
Your rejection of the faith was caused by being open minded to that which is contrary to the truth of God's Word.

Well obviously I don't believe it is "the truth of God's Word" and I've made no secret of that. And I know that you are (still) a Christian and that you think it is.

Originally posted by josephw
When you say that the Word of a God is not the Word of God, then what you are really saying is that the Word of God is a lie.

No, what I am saying is that ~ on reflection, after many years ~ I stopped believing that the Bible is "the Word of God". If you continue to think it is, and say so, then we simply have different beliefs. I am not accusing you of telling "a lie" about what you believe.

Originally posted by josephw
Your alleged "escape" from "Christianity" is nothing less than a failure to believe the truth. Far, far from anything even remotely open minded.

Well obviously, being a non-Christian, I don't think what you believe is "the truth", so I clearly don't see my coming to that conclusion as "a failure". You, still being a Christian, have every reason to label escape as "a failure". I am not sure your brandishing of labels is proselytism at its most effective, to put it mildly. Your strong faith does not appear to have equipped you with strong, persuasive things to say to me [or about yourself, comer to think of it]. 🙂

Originally posted by FMF
No, what I am saying is that ~ on reflection, after many years ~ I stopped believing that the Bible is "the Word of God". If you continue to think it is, and say so, then we simply have different beliefs. I am not accusing you of telling "a lie" about what you believe.

Why beat around the bush FMF? Your belief is that there is no "Word of God", based on whatever knowledge it is you cling to that informs you.

Your knowledge supersedes and negates the Bible.

Originally posted by josephw
Why beat around the bush FMF? Your belief is that there is no "Word of God", based on whatever knowledge it is you cling to that informs you.

Your knowledge supersedes and negates the Bible.

Look, I get that you are still a Christian. I'm not having any difficulty with understanding that you believe the Bible is "Word of God". Post after post, you seem to think I do not understand where you are coming from. But I do.

Originally posted by josephw
BUT, I did not say "you are not a Christian". I implied that your words, and how you treat Christians with your words, gives the impression you are not.

The way you debate with the Christians in this forum makes me think you must hate them. But you are cozy as can be with those that oppose the knowledge of God. I read through pages of your posts. I saw it all with my own two eyes. You're mean spirited with Christians.

I'm mean spirited with Christians am I? Well Joseph, I'm NOT the one telling the atheists that if they don't turn to Jesus he will fry them in an incinerator for all eternity.

Stop being a pansy.

Originally posted by josephw
Besides, I'm not the one making facetious remarks about my "religion". I don't have a religion.

You're the only one declaring their own posts facetious.

Originally posted by divegeester
This is a call to all those Christian's here who believe that non-Christians will be tortured for eternity in a burning hell-lake. It's one thing to accept that there is a 2nd death, after all most people have already accepted their 1st death, so the 2nd one, while obviously being a bit of a "damn, those Christians were right after all" moment, is ...[text shortened]... fear ASAP.

What are you doing posting here? You should be out screaming at people!

GO...

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Originally posted by whodey
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ ...[text shortened]... ten to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Is this your justification for believing that everyone you know who in not a Christian will be burned in hell for all eternity and you not being out in the streets beging them to come to Christ?

Originally posted by whodey
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ ...[text shortened]... ten to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

I can GUARANTEE you if people would actually start to rise from the dead and warn about the impending doom of not believing, most of the living would start to believe in a heartbeat. Even without death threats it would be a game changer for billions of people.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
I can GUARANTEE you if people would actually start to rise from the dead and warn about the impending doom of not believing, most of the living would start to believe in a heartbeat. Even without death threats it would be a game changer for billions of people.

Really?

According to scripture Jesus raised people from the dead, and then they nailed him to a cross.

In fact, I knew a nurse once who was not a believer who personally witnessed a patient of hers come back to life after family members prayed for them. They had been dead an hour.

She never became a believer.

Originally posted by divegeester
Is this your justification for believing that everyone you know who in not a Christian will be burned in hell for all eternity and you not being out in the streets beging them to come to Christ?

Funny, I don't recall saying one word about it.

Originally posted by whodey
Funny, I don't recall saying one word about it.

You replied to my OP "Why aren't you shouting in the street?" with this:

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Then what were you referring to?