Originally posted by divegeesterI'm a fundy and I don't get into Benny Hinn.
If I chime in and say that I think Benny Hinn is a charlatan and a fraud will that get me into even more hot water with the fundies here?
As for his credibility, that is between him and his maker.
Originally posted by Great King RatAccording to scripture, Jesus raised a man who had been dead for 3 days.
“According to scripture” is as meaningful as “according to Lord of the Rings”, so let’s skip that.
“The dead rising” and a patient who makes an unexpected recovery are two entirely different things. You’re reaching very, very far.
Show me my grandfather walking about, after having been dead for 20+ years and I’d be impressed.
Amazing story th ...[text shortened]... cept that as clear divine intervention. Anything to strengthen your weak sense of belief, right?
Is that enough time?
Please continue to prove my point by saying no. It amuses me. 😵
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Originally posted by whodeyHow can a preacher's credibility only be "between him and his creator"?
I'm a fundy and I don't get into Benny Hinn.
As for his credibility, that is between him and his maker.
The fact that you don't "get him" means that he had no credibility with you and that I think he is a fraud and a charlatan means he has no credibility with me either.
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God will prove Himself
Ultimately, whether or not you believe the Bible is up to you. If you
diligently seek God, you will find Him.
When God makes a promise, you can bet He will keep it. Scripture is clear that if you seek, you will find (Deut. 4:29).
Of course, “seek” means seek, and God responds to a
serious and diligent effort (Prov. 2:1-6; Matt. 7:7-11).
There are millions of Christians on the earth, and each of them has a different story of how he or she came to the faith. History is filled with glowing testimonies of people who sought for the Lord Jesus Christ and whose lives have been touched and changed by him.
You do not need to be “down and out” to find God. All He requires
is that you genuinely want to know Him.
God and the things of God will not become clear to you if you examine them from a distance as if you were considering some object in a store window you were thinking of purchasing. People who remain distant or just want to know about God so they can “decide” whether to believe and obey Him will never learn the truth about Him. God created the heavens and the earth, and He made the rules. We are God’s creation; He is not our creation. Many people wonder if the Bible is really God’s Word. Jesus Christ gave us clear instructions on how to find out for ourselves if God’s Word is true:
John 7:17
If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my
teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
This verse is very clear: the key to knowing God is choosing to do His
will. As you begin to obey God, He will reveal Himself and His Word to
you. Once you begin to seek and obey God, things about Him that were
unclear become very understandable. God designed things such that
obedience is the great key to knowing Him.
John 14:21
Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who
loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too
will love him and show myself to him.
Originally posted by checkbaiterTwo questions about Andrew Wommack. [1] Why would God/Jesus take away his ability to perform miracles just as he tried to demonstrate them under laboratory conditions, and [2] has he personally made money ~ directly or indirectly ~ out of performing these "miracles" in front of paying audiences?
No, not at all.. Don't know much about [Benny Hinn]. But I am aware that anyone can fall..
Andrew Wommack is the real deal. I have followed his ministry for some time now.
Originally posted by whodeyYes, that would be long enough to be thoroughly impressed.
According to scripture, Jesus raised a man who had been dead for 3 days.
Is that enough time?
Please continue to prove my point by saying no. It amuses me. 😵
Unfortunately, you have nothing to proof this, do you? Well, yes, you have the bible, and you've been told that whatever the bible says is true, and you being you accept whatever you've been told by a certain group of people. But that doesn't quite work for the thinking part of the world.
But do keep me informed about other wondrous events for which you have no proof whatsoever but that you are willing to accept without question. That way we can keep each other amused.
Oh, by the way, since you are talking to me now, in another thread you mentioned that we should be intolerant of Islam, but you've failed to explain how that should be done even though you've been asked multiple times. Could you go back to that thread and answer that? Thanks man.
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Originally posted by FMFYou make it sound like a show....not worth responding to.
Two questions about Andrew Wommack. [1] Why would God/Jesus take away his ability to perform miracles just as he tried to demonstrate them under laboratory conditions, and [2] has he personally made money ~ directly or indirectly ~ out of performing these "miracles" in front of paying audiences?
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Originally posted by FMFI think your questions were already answered in my earlier post...
Two questions about Andrew Wommack. [1] Why would God/Jesus take away his ability to perform miracles just as he tried to demonstrate them under laboratory conditions, and [2] has he personally made money ~ directly or indirectly ~ out of performing these "miracles" in front of paying audiences?
But in case you missed it, here it is again....
God will prove Himself
Ultimately, whether or not you believe the Bible is up to you. If you
diligently seek God, you will find Him.
When God makes a promise, you can bet He will keep it. Scripture is clear that if you seek, you will find (Deut. 4:29).
Of course, “seek” means seek, and God responds to a
serious and diligent effort (Prov. 2:1-6; Matt. 7:7-11).
There are millions of Christians on the earth, and each of them has a different story of how he or she came to the faith. History is filled with glowing testimonies of people who sought for the Lord Jesus Christ and whose lives have been touched and changed by him.
You do not need to be “down and out” to find God. All He requires
is that you genuinely want to know Him.
God and the things of God will not become clear to you if you examine them from a distance as if you were considering some object in a store window you were thinking of purchasing. People who remain distant or just want to know about God so they can “decide” whether to believe and obey Him will never learn the truth about Him. God created the heavens and the earth, and He made the rules. We are God’s creation; He is not our creation. Many people wonder if the Bible is really God’s Word. Jesus Christ gave us clear instructions on how to find out for ourselves if God’s Word is true:
John 7:17
If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my
teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
This verse is very clear: the key to knowing God is choosing to do His
will. As you begin to obey God, He will reveal Himself and His Word to
you. Once you begin to seek and obey God, things about Him that were
unclear become very understandable. God designed things such that
obedience is the great key to knowing Him.
John 14:21
Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who
loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too
will love him and show myself to him.
God makes the rules, not man.
Originally posted by Great King RatI think you are lying.
Yes, that would be long enough to be thoroughly impressed.
Unfortunately, you have nothing to proof this, do you? Well, yes, you have the bible, and you've been told that whatever the bible says is true, and you being you accept whatever you've been told by a certain group of people. But that doesn't quite work for the thinking part of the world.
...[text shortened]... you've been asked multiple times. Could you go back to that thread and answer that? Thanks man.
I can just hear it now, it was a ruse. He was never really dead for 3 days. It's not really him etc.
Originally posted by whodeyMaybe God can try it. It’s easy. He can certainly do some magic tricks that are so amazing that even the most die-hard atheist will scratch his head in bewilderment.
I think you are lying.
I can just hear it now, it was a ruse. He was never really dead for 3 days. It's not really him etc.
But, yeahhhhhhhhh, he isn't doing that, is he? Nope, nope, nope. The most amazing things he has apparently done happened 2000 years ago and we (you) just have to believe it because our (your) mommy and poppy say it’s true because the bible says so.
What a shame that such an all-powerful being shows his amazing talents so scarcely.
Meh, maybe one of these days Jesus will indeed come back to earth and shatter all doubts and disbelief. That’s going to happen right? J will return? When? Today? Tomorrow? Next year? After you and I are already dead?
Yeahhhhhhh...... I’ll be waiting for those magic tricks to appear, Whodey. You will let me know when I can expect something, right? When the only logical explanation is Goddidit.
We'll wait together, Whodey. Might be a couple of years, but it'll happen. Just be patient, buddy.