Why aren't you shouting in the street?

Originally posted by divegeester
No YOU judged me Joseph. I would never accuse another Christian on not being one as you did to me.**

"Bashing Christians" I presume you mean contending against the horrendouse doctrine of eternal suffering etc? That you disagree with this doctrine and yet you don't stand up against it highlights your lack of moral code and the courage to face up to " ...[text shortened]... ristian. I fully accept that lemon lime is a Christian irrespective of my disagreement with him.

BUT, I did not say "you are not a Christian". I implied that your words, and how you treat Christians with your words, gives the impression you are not.

The way you debate with the Christians in this forum makes me think you must hate them. But you are cozy as can be with those that oppose the knowledge of God. I read through pages of your posts. I saw it all with my own two eyes. You're mean spirited with Christians.

Originally posted by FMF
When using the English language, as we both are, it is.

In whatever language, Christianty is not a religion.

But I don't expect that someone with your vast knowledge of the world would be able to make the conceptualization of faith required to understand.

In fact, I think what happened to you is that you learned too much of what it is the opposes the knowledge of God to the point you lost faith and the ability to understand.

"Actually, I do know a fair bit about " the world and it' religions", and Christianity's concept of God in particular."

Well then, if you know so much then why would you say that? "Christianity" doesn't have a concept of God. People have concepts, but you don't. You have knowledge of knowledge, but none about God.

Being a Christian means knowing God, and being known of God. "Faith" is the substance of the knowledge of God, and the practice of living for God.

Christianity doesn't exists except as a conceptualization of terms used as labels for things visible. Faith is the substance of those things that are not seen.

Originally posted by FMF
I will let you know just as soon as you present a concept to me that gives me a convincing reason to think know something. But as long as you are peddling some Iron Age mythology with a 2,000 year old cult-of-personality latched onto it (a combination I have had a long hard look at), I think your proseltyising is going to continue to be empty handed. 😉

"I will let you know just as soon as you present a concept to me that gives me a convincing reason..."

It will never happen. Not as long as you hold to the mindset you have generated in your own mind. Apparently you are sold out.

Perhaps there is something that will change your mind? But you probably don't know what that is?

For all the smarts you extol I think you are completely confused. Not intended as an insult. Peace

Originally posted by josephw
In whatever language, Christianty is not a religion.

You're wrong about this.

Originally posted by josephw
"Christianity" doesn't have a concept of God.

Yes it does, josephw, it really does.

Originally posted by josephw
Christianity doesn't exists except as a conceptualization of terms used as labels for things visible. Faith is the substance of those things that are not seen.

Christianity and Christian faith encompass a conceptualization of both things visible and things that are not seen. It is in its very nature ~ as one of the world's foremost religions.

Originally posted by josephw
It will never happen. Not as long as you hold to the mindset you have generated in your own mind. Apparently you are sold out.

Perhaps there is something that will change your mind? But you probably don't know what that is?

For all the smarts you extol I think you are completely confused. Not intended as an insult. Peace

"Sold out", how so?

Originally posted by josephw
I think what happened to you is that you learned too much of what it is the opposes the knowledge of God to the point you lost faith and the ability to understand.

What happened is I lost faith in the Bible's credibility.

Originally posted by FMF
What happened is I lost faith in the Bible's credibility.

Which is why you are unable to exercise the faith, or know God.

What you have as credible is only human wisdom and knowledge, which is the thing that's not credible. You have it flip flopped. Your mind is closed to the knowledge of God by your own intellectual instrumentality.

Since you have no knowledge of God to offer as an alternative to the knowledge of God that is given, your objections to what is known of a God has no weight or bearing on the discussion.

Originally posted by josephw
Which is why you are unable to exercise the faith, or know God.

Well I have made no secret of the fact that I am no longer a Christian, if that's what you are getting at.

Originally posted by josephw
What you have as credible is only human wisdom and knowledge, which is the thing that's not credible. You have it flip flopped. Your mind is closed to the knowledge of God by your own intellectual instrumentality.

My escape from Christianity was caused by being open-minded.

Originally posted by josephw
Since you have no knowledge of God to offer as an alternative to the knowledge of God that is given, your objections to what is known of a God has no weight or bearing on the discussion.

My basic "objection" to your particular religionist ideology is that it is far-fetched and not credible, and I say this having been immersed in it myself for the better part of three decades. You are a proselytiser and I am giving you feedback on your proselytising. That is a contribution to a discussion on the ideas you propagate whether you like it or not, and regardless of whether you agree with what I make of the stuff you just so happen to come up with.

Originally posted by FMF
My basic "objection" to your particular religionist ideology is that it is far-fetched and not credible, and I say this having been immersed in it myself for the better part of three decades. You are a proselytiser and I am giving you feedback on your proselytising. That is a contribution to a discussion on the ideas you propagate whether you like it or not, and ...[text shortened]... egardless of whether you agree with what I make of the stuff you just so happen to come up with.

There are and have been many "Christians" who have followed the practice of sorts, for many years.
This does not make them Christians. They are "carnal" Christians, who walk by their senses.
Walking in the flesh, (senses) is self defeating.
Faith (pistis) believing, is trusting in what you cannot see, taste or touch by your 5 senses.
A carnal Christian feeds his mind worldly things (sense wise).
A real Christian has faith in what God has promised, to the point that they respond positively to His promises.
These promises are not just future. They are for the here and now.
A person who cannot trust God with his finances, or physical healing, probably does not trust Him for salvation either.
Christians are commanded to "test" their faith. Thank God for something, healing, revelation, or some other need.
Trust that He loves you and believe that He has already supplied that need.
He promises to be faithful, will never leave nor forsake you.
Feed your mind the promises of the bible, and avoid the worldly influence that comes through media, newspapers, Television and watch the doubt disappear.
This is faith, it always works.
Don't say you tried all that and it didn't work, because then either you or God would be lying. Guess who I would believe?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
There are and have been many "Christians" who have followed the practice of sorts, for many years. This does not make them Christians.

The suggestion that I wasn't a Christian is old hat ~ plucked form a hat stand bearing several of them ~ and it won't be the 'holier-than-thou-once-were' act of discussion-ending suffocation that you probably thinks it is. Frankly, your opinion now of what I was in the past does not and cannot reach back into the past and change it.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Christians are commanded to "test" their faith.

That is, I suppose, what I did. And it's gone as a result.