Why aren't you shouting in the street?

Originally posted by whodey
Really?

According to scripture Jesus raised people from the dead, and then they nailed him to a cross.

In fact, I knew a nurse once who was not a believer who personally witnessed a patient of hers come back to life after family members prayed for them. They had been dead an hour.

She never became a believer.

“According to scripture” is as meaningful as “according to Lord of the Rings”, so let’s skip that.

“The dead rising” and a patient who makes an unexpected recovery are two entirely different things. You’re reaching very, very far.

Show me my grandfather walking about, after having been dead for 20+ years and I’d be impressed.

Amazing story though, someone being brought back from death after family members prayed. So God heard those prayers and thought, Ah, what the hell, let’s bring him back to life. Especially odd, since praying for exactly the same reasons happens thousands of times a day and yet the patient remains very dead. But let’s forget about those many, many cases. Let’s pick one wondrous example and accept that as clear divine intervention. Anything to strengthen your weak sense of belief, right?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
“According to scripture” is as meaningful as “according to Lord of the Rings”, so let’s skip that.

“The dead rising” and a patient who makes an unexpected recovery are two entirely different things. You’re reaching very, very far.

Show me my grandfather walking about, after having been dead for 20+ years and I’d be impressed.

Amazing story th ...[text shortened]... cept that as clear divine intervention. Anything to strengthen your weak sense of belief, right?

So you want to see God's power?

http://www.awmi.net/extra/healing/hoesch

http://www.awmi.net/extra/healing/moore

http://www.awmi.net/extra/healing/mcdermott

Originally posted by checkbaiter
So you want to see God's power?

http://www.awmi.net/extra/healing/hoesch

Aw, man, that is so awesome, that this guy got rid of his tumor, because God decided to do that because, well, He has His reasons... apparently.

Just too bad for those thousands of people - many of whom believers - who still die painfully of cancer every year.

So basically God's power is to play mind games with cancer patients all year long.

"You will be saved! And you! And you!"
"No, you will die coughing up blood, for reasons you will not understand! Hahaha!"

Edit: Oh, that crazy God, decides to let his powers slip for a couple of minutes. Whatever will he do next?? http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/18/world/americas/colombia-bus-fire/

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Aw, man, that is so awesome, that this guy got rid of his tumor, because God decided to do that because, well, He has His reasons... apparently.

Just too bad for those thousands of people - many of whom believers - who still die painfully of cancer every year.

So basically God's power is to play mind games with cancer patients all year long.
...[text shortened]... . Whatever will he do next?? http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/18/world/americas/colombia-bus-fire/

So, you assume that because it was a church, God would just act?
Without faith?
Without having an understanding of who He is?
Without understanding that He has already provided and it is up to us to believe and receive?
You assume an awful lot my friend.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
So, you assume that because it was a church, God would just act?
Without faith?
Without having an understanding of who He is?
Without understanding that He has already provided and it is up to us to believe and receive?
You assume an awful lot my friend.

First of all, I’m not friend, buddy.

Second. I’m not assuming anything. It is you who is assuming that these stories you read on the internet a) really happened and b) that goddidit and c) that you know when god decides to intervene.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
So you want to see God's power?

Has Benny Hinn already performed more miracles in his lifetime than Jesus did?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
First of all, I’m not friend, buddy.

Second. I’m not assuming anything. It is you who is assuming that these stories you read on the internet a) really happened and b) that goddidit and c) that you know when god decides to intervene.

I have no reason to doubt these healings are real.
The bible tells me God has already done his part, it is people that need to believe.

Originally posted by FMF
Has Benny Hinn already performed more miracles in his lifetime than Jesus did?

Maybe, there are others who have had more healing too.
But that is a silly question because it all comes from Jesus anyway.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Maybe, there are others who have had more healing too.
But that is a silly question because it all comes from Jesus anyway.

If I chime in and say that I think Benny Hinn is a charlatan and a fraud will that get me into even more hot water with the fundies here?

Originally posted by divegeester
If I chime in and say that I think Benny Hinn is a charlatan and a fraud will that get me into even more hot water with the fundies here?

I asked checkbaiter about Benny Hinn in order to gauge the Credulity Factor in play.

Originally posted by FMF
I asked checkbaiter about Benny Hinn in order to gauge the Credulity Factor in play.

I choose to believe in miracles although I have no evidence they occur, other than I've witnessed a couple of extraordinary occurrences which I believe were miracles.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
I have no reason to doubt these healings are real.
The bible tells me God has already done his part, it is people that need to believe.

That’s right, so stop telling me I’m assuming. The one’s assuming is you, assuming there is a god, assuming the bible is his word, assuming believing is what is needed to get rid of that nasty tumor, assuming others are believing wrongly.

Let me know how you feel about all of this the day you die of lung cancer. Get back to me and tell me about believing then.

Originally posted by divegeester
If I chime in and say that I think Benny Hinn is a charlatan and a fraud will that get me into even more hot water with the fundies here?

No, not at all.. Don't know much about him. But I am aware that anyone can fall..
Andrew Wommack is the real deal. I have followed his ministry for some time now.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
No, not at all.. Don't know much about him. But I am aware that anyone can fall..
Andrew Wommack is the real deal. I have followed his ministry for some time now.

Oh man, what great luck that you happened to pick one of the real deals. You must be really, really smart.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
That’s right, so stop telling me I’m assuming. The one’s assuming is you, assuming there is a god, assuming the bible is his word, assuming believing is what is needed to get rid of that nasty tumor, assuming others are believing wrongly.

Let me know how you feel about all of this the day you die of lung cancer. Get back to me and tell me about believing then.

My, your a hateful little rat aren't you?