@pb1022 saidYou are going down the same path people take when confronted with the stark difference between these two things
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- The Gospel Message of Jesus Christ and the Apostles
- Their Church Gospel
They are not the same, and that is all I was pointing out to you.
I asked no questions? I almost never ask people anything.
I read your doctrine and I make a few simple comments.
The Gospel Message of Christ is what eternal life in the Kingdom of God is all about. It was preached by Paul and all the Apostles as well
Your church gospel is just to make you feel good about yourself. Whether or not you will get eternal life with that gospel is pretty doubtful, as it omits some pretty critidal matters.
My point is made.
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@rajk999 saidSo you don’t think Jesus Christ was that Messiah?
The Good News is the coming of the Messiah, who will save mankind.
Is there something I said that makes you think I believe Jesus Christ is irrelevant? If so then I think your reading skills are pretty poor.
Yeah, you omit from your doctrine the purpose of Jesus Christ’s crucifixion, the importance of His Resurrection, how one receives God’s Holy Spirit, the power of God’s Holy Spirit, etc.
It’s all Old Testament with you.
What do you think the New Covenant is? How is the New Covenant different from the Old Covenant in your doctrine? It has more laws to follow and no sacrificial system of animals to take away sins?
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@rajk999 saidOh really?
The Gospel Message of Jesus Christ and the Disciples does not include that statement. It is therefore not a critical matter for eternal life.
Who wrote this:
><Of course you are entitled to have your church gospel but to claim it is the Gospel of Christ, or Paul etc, is incorrect.>>
Suddenly Paul is not to be trusted because he wrote something that contradicts your doctrine?
Who wrote John 3:16? One of Jesus’ disciples, right?
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
(John 3:16)
Where are good works mentioned in that verse?
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@rajk999 saidYou’re conflating salvation with how Jesus expects a son of God to live. You’re making the former contingent on the latter when that’s not the case.
You are going down the same path people take when confronted with the stark difference between these two things
- The Gospel Message of Jesus Christ and the Apostles
- Their Church Gospel
They are not the same, and that is all I was pointing out to you.
I asked no questions? I almost never ask people anything.
I read your doctrine and I make a few simple comments.
...[text shortened]... with that gospel is pretty doubtful, as it omits some pretty critidal matters.
My point is made.
“For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
(Romans 8:38-39)
Paul is talking to believers here. Does he say failure to do enough good works or to obey the commandments will separate us from the love of God?
And another question you never answered (there have been so many) is whether you think one must keep all of the commandments perfectly - without a single slip - all of the time to obtain eternal life. I suspect you do, which means, in your doctrine, no one gets eternal life.
That ain’t the Gospel, pardner. And it sure as shootin’ ain’t good news ðŸ¤
John 3:16, Romans 10:9, John 6:40 and other verses could not be clearer.
@pb1022 saidWhat have I quoted from the Old Testament?
So you don’t think Jesus Christ was that Messiah?
Yeah, you omit from your doctrine the purpose of Jesus Christ’s crucifixion, the importance of His Resurrection, how one receives God’s Holy Spirit, the power of God’s Holy Spirit, etc.
It’s all Old Testament with you.
What do you think the New Covenant is? How is the New Covenant different from the Old Covenant in your doctrine? It has more laws to follow and no sacrificial system of animals to take away sins?
Again when confronted with this piece of incontrovertible information that their church gospel is in error people go berserk and start talking rubbish
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@pb1022 saidI said pretty clearly that Paul preached the same Gospel of Christ.... are you losing it now?
Oh really?
Who wrote this:
><Of course you are entitled to have your church gospel but to claim it is the Gospel of Christ, or Paul etc, is incorrect.>>
Suddenly Paul is not to be trusted because he wrote something that contradicts your doctrine?
Who wrote John 3:16? One of Jesus’ disciples, right?
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, ...[text shortened]... perish, but have everlasting life.”
(John 3:16)
Where are good works mentioned in that verse?
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@rajk999 saidSo, in your doctrine, was Jesus Christ the Messiah or not?
What have quoted from the Old Testament?
Again when confronted with this piece of incontrovertible information that their church gospel is in error people go berserk and start talking rubbish
Or is this yet another question you won’t answer?
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@rajk999 saidThen why did you write this in response to my citing Ephesians 2:8-9 written by Paul?
I said pretty clearly that Paul preached the same Gospel of Christ.... are you losing it now?
<<The Gospel Message of Jesus Christ and the Disciples does not include that statement. It is therefore not a critical matter for eternal life.>>
Here again is Ephesians 2:8-9 written by Paul:
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
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@pb1022 saidNot one single teaching from the Gospel of Christ is in your writings.
You’re conflating salvation with how Jesus expects a son of God to live. You’re making the former contingent on the latter when that’s not the case.
“For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love ...[text shortened]... ’ ain’t good news ðŸ¤
John 3:16, Romans 10:9, John 6:40 and other verses could not be clearer.
Paul said that nothing matters but the keeping of the commandments and that Born again saved Christian Saints in Christ who lived unrighteously will not get eternal life in the Kingdom of God.
I dont intend to answer all your questions as many of them are pretty stupid.
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@pb1022 saidIf Jesus did not say it then it is not the Gospel of Christ and it is not a critical matter for eternal life.
Then why did you write this in response to my citing Ephesians 2:8-9 written by Paul?
<<The Gospel Message of Jesus Christ and the Disciples does not include that statement. It is therefore not a critical matter for eternal life.>>
Here again is Ephesians 2:8-9 written by Paul:
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
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@rajk999 saidNo, you did not answer whether you think Jesus Christ was the Messiah.
Did I not already answer that?
A simple Yes or No will do.
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<<Paul said that nothing matters but the keeping of the commandments>>
You can say that after reading Ephesians 2:8-9?
It took me a while, but I’ve come to the realization that you’re just trolling now.
Your false doctrine’s been blown out of the water and you’ve got nothing left but this Abbott and Costello routine.
Sayonara, skipper 👋
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@pb1022 saidTypical reaction of church Christians when the truth hits them.
@Rajk999
<<Paul said that nothing matters but the keeping of the commandments>>
You can say that after reading Ephesians 2:8-9?
It took me a while, but I’ve come to the realization that you’re just trolling now.
Your false doctrine’s been blown out of the water and you’ve got nothing left but this Abbott and Costello routine.
Sayonara, skipper 👋