@sonship saidI see where you got your doctrine. Its in the Witness Lee Bible, Here it is:
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But if I write the encouraging news about calling on the Lord to touch Him and receive grace, empowering, vitality to obey, he fights it tooth and nail.
Calling, praying, pray-reading, musing, turning the heart to the Lord and speaking out to the Lord are all for receiving the empowering grace to live Christ.
But this he fights. He want's to keep peop ...[text shortened]... ealm?
I think rather:
"This persuasion is not of Him who calls you." (Gal, 5:8)
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye called me Lord, Lord:
I was thirsty, and ye pray-read:
I was a stranger, and ye was musing:
Naked, and ye sang hymns:
I was sick, and ye gave the pastor 10% of your salary:
I was in prison, and ye broke bread and drank the wine
(Matthew 25:34-36 WLB)
I say .. it all sounds correct to me.
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@rajk999 saidNo, I don’t.
Churches tell people there is no need for good works. They are samed and they have eternal life. Good works is trying to save yourself. You say it all the time. And Jesus said that NEVER.
I say good works are evidence of salvation and evidence of a changed heart, but not a requirement for salvation.
You seem to think someone will only do good works when they’re afraid of hell, that once someone’s saved, they think they can live it up and constantly sin.
You have no understanding that someone can do good works out of love for God and not fear of God, that someone can keep the commandments (to the best of his ability) out of love for God and not fear of God.
That’s why you mock worshipping God and praying to God. You don’t want a relationship with God.
02 Dec 21
@pb1022 saidJesus NEVER said any of that stuff.
No, I don’t.
I say good works are evidence of salvation and evidence of a changed heart, but not a requirement for salvation.
You seem to think someone will only do good works when they’re afraid of hell, that once someone’s saved, they think they can live it up and constantly sin.
You have no understanding that someone can do good works out of love for God and not fe ...[text shortened]... .
That’s why you mock worshipping God and praying to God. You don’t want a relationship with God.
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02 Dec 21
@rajk999 saidYou really should read all of 1 John 4 (it’s too long to post here.)
Jesus NEVER said any of that stuff.
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Confess that Jesus rose bodily and physically from the dead.
Confess that like to me Jesus is Lord, so also to you.
" . . . and no one can say, Jesus is Lord! except in the Holy Spirit" (1 Cor. 12:3)
Of course if you don't believe it and don't receive Him, you cannot confess Him.
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@pb1022 saidThe Gospel Message of Jesus Christ is contained in the first 10 chapters of Matthew or Luke. That message is all someone needs to understand what Jesus expexts from people. If a man follows and obeys those teachings contained in those chapters, he will get eternal life in the Kingdom of God.
You really should read all of 1 John 4 (it’s too long to post here.)
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@rajk999 saidYou jump around way too much - you say Jesus, Paul, John, James, Peter all preached the same thing; then you distance yourself from any preaching that is not directly from Jesus.
The Gospel Message of Jesus Christ is contained in the first 10 chapters of Matthew or Luke. That message is all someone needs to understand what Jesus expexts from people. If a man follows and obeys those teachings contained in those chapters, he will get eternal life in the Kingdom of God.
Make up your mind.
You ignore verses from Jesus and questions that reveal the flaws in your doctrine. You just like repeating the same statements over and over.