Wonderful Works In Matt 7

@Rajk999

<<2) Those who believe in Jesus Christ and His Resurrection receive God’s Holy Spirit.
Gods Spirit is given to genuine believers.>>

Totally agree.

<<The Devils believe and tremble. The devils believe in God, in Jesus Christ and know of his death and resurrection. Jesus never preached to believe in his resurrection, so it is not part of the Gospel. If Paul said it and you think its critical then by all means carry on. But Jesus on the day of judgment will never say to someone like the Good Samaritan .. get away from me because you did not believe in my resurrection. Thats not going to happen.>>

You still don’t seem to believe that genuine belief in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection leads to a changed heart and therefore changed behavior. What do you think the purpose of God’s Holy Spirit indwelling a believer is?

And without the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, Christianity never happens. We worship a risen and living Saviour. I’m sure you’re aware Jesus Christ predicted several times that He would be Resurrected (rise on the third day) and He predicted that not just to His disciples, but to the Pharisees as well.

<<3) God’s Holy Spirit indwelling a believer changes his or her heart so they are become naturally inclined to focus on the needs of others, instead of only on themselves, and do good works.
Wrong. This is not in the Bible>>

Sure it is. Read Galatians again. What do you think walking in the Spirit and keeping in step with the Spirit means?

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.”

(Galatians 5:16-25)

<<4) No one is expected (or able) to keep all of the commandments all of the time. Jesus Christ forgives believers of their sins (1 John 1:9 - “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.&rdquo😉
Correct. Nobody is perfect but the sin is not trying like I said similar to the man who got 1 talent and did nothing.>>

Glad you agree no one can keep the Law and commandments to perfection. That’s why we need a Saviour, because none of us can live up to God’s standard.

<<5) Believers in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection increasingly focus less on self and more on others and thereby follow Galatians 6:2 (“Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.&rdquo😉 because of the Holy Spirit changing them from the inside out. Maybe, and maybe not. This is not in the bible.>>

Yes it is. Read Galatians.

<<This is what they are supposed to do. Your statement that they actually do it is false.>>

If they are walking in the Spirit and yielding themselves to the Spirit, they absolutely do it. A Christian retains his or her free will after God’s Holy Spirit indwells them. Walking in the Spirit is achieved through fellowship and communion with God.

<<6) If someone accepts and believes in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection at 9 a.m. and gets run over by a bus at 10 a.m., that person is saved. (This is analogous to the thief on the cross.)
Yes, but Jesus will judge because he alone knows of the heart and intentions of man>>

So Jesus judges the heart of such a person and not his works? Jesus judges the intentions of such a person and not his works?

@rajk999 said
I like this passage and the whole chapter, but what is very amusing is that many Christians use this very passage John 14:6 to show that a someone has to profess faith in Christ otherwise they are damned, when I cannot see any reference to faith or belief in that passsage. You said Jesus was very specific and he spoke at length in that same chapter about good works and keepin ...[text shortened]... fest myself to him.(John 14:21 KJV)[/i]

Must have quoted this several times in the last few days.

@rajk999 said
Christ died for ALL people.

@rajk999 said
I am honestly stunned that you believe that only Christians are capable of getting forgiveness and that you do not know that Jesus died for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.

Christians do not have a monopoly on Christ, neither on righteousness. Christians do not have a free pass to the Kingdom of God. In the end EVERY MAN WILL BE JUDGED.by the same yardstick, which is WORKS. ...[text shortened]... ives.

That someone else is going to be forgiven of his sins and he will enter the Kingdom of God.

@Rajk999

In this Parable spoken by Jesus Christ, who was justified? The Pharisee who boasted of his good deeds and Law keeping or the publican who asked for mercy because of his sins?

“And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.“

(Luke 18:9-14)

Based on language you’ve used against posters in this forum, it’s hard to believe you don’t despise them. And it’s pretty clear you’re trusting in yourself to be righteous before God.

@pb1022 said

If they are walking in the Spirit and yielding themselves to the Spirit, they absolutely do it. A Christian retains his or her free will after God’s Holy Spirit indwells them. Walking in the Spirit is achieved through fellowship and communion with God.

@pb1022 said
What did Jesus say were the two greatest commandments?

@pb1022 said
Sure, but that doesn’t mean we have no role or responsibility in determining our eternal home.

Those who accept and believe in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection are saved.

Those who don’t are not.

God wants everyone to be saved but that doesn’t mean they will be.

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to ...[text shortened]... -ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

(2 Peter 3:9)

@pb1022 said
Sure, Jesus died for all people and anyone can become a Christian. But God’s gift of salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ has to be accepted.

You seem to think Jesus died for all people, but then people’s eternal fate is decided on their works. What’s the point of Jesus’ sacrificial death if someone’s works decides their fate?

“Who is a liar but he that deniet ...[text shortened]... orks forgives sins? If good works forgives sins, what was the purpose of Jesus Christ’s crucifixion?

@pb1022 said
@Rajk999

In this Parable spoken by Jesus Christ, who was justified? The Pharisee who boasted of his good deeds and Law keeping or the publican who asked for mercy because of his sins?

“And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the ot ...[text shortened]... ou don’t despise them. And it’s pretty clear you’re trusting in yourself to be righteous before God.

@pb1022 said

So someone who rejects Christ also has Christ? Where do you find that in the Holy Bible? Because accepting and believing in Jesus Christ makes someone a Christian.

@rajk999 said
IF ?? Your belief in the certainty of eternal life for Christians is based on an IF?

IF they walk in the Spirit that means the Christian is keeping the commandments, and they get eternal life. But, all Christians do not keep the commandments and they are therefore not walking in the Spirit, therefore they are cast out as Jesus said clearly.

Your last sentence is not in the bible... thats pure church doctrine.

@rajk999 said
Love God and your neighbour as yourself. As Jesus pointed out clearly that love for neighbour is a demonstration of love for God/ Him.

[i]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. (Matthew 25:40 KJV)

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his broth ...[text shortened]... able , the Good Samaritan type

The first man gets damnation and the second gets eternal life.[/b]

@rajk999 said
Repentance ... a word I suspect many Christians do not fully understand.
Those who truly repent will get eternal life.
Those who think that Christ will continue to forgive sins indefinitely becuase they professed belief and faith, they are sadly mistaken.

@rajk999 said
I dont know anyone who prays like that Pharisee, but Im pretty sure that if I used to go to church I would have known a few. The only people I know who think they are better than others are church people, and this is clear throughout your posts.