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@divegeester
Been addressed before.
Been replied to before.
Been discussed before.
Nothing new in your scary gauntlet "challenge".
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Divegeester, you can probably remember the names of the threads you started in which you argued about the lake of fire with people.
Why don't you by re-call just give me the names of three or four past threads where we went back and forth on say Revelation 14.
Maybe, I'll fetch an example of where the complaint was addressed previously by me. Better yet, just provide the links.
In the last five years there should be several of them.
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@sonship saidOh yes it is, and you know it. Based on your own doctrine:
@divegeester
Been addressed before.
Been replied to before.
Been discussed before.
Nothing new in your scary gauntlet "challenge".
Your version of Jesus oversees the eternal burning of people in hell
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@sonship saidI’m happier putting your intellectual dishonesty and your crappy doctrines on the rack in this one hellboy.
Divegeester, you can probably remember the names of the threads you started in which you argued about the lake of fire with people.
Why don't you by re-call just give me the names of three or four past threads where we went back and forth on say Revelation 14.
Maybe, I'll fetch an example of where the complaint was addressed previously by me. Better yet, just provide the links.
In the last five years there should be several of them.
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@sonship saidI don't recognize the authority of the Bible.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Yes, it is my belief that a loving deity wouldn't torment people for all eternity in the fires of hell, and that any Christian who thinks otherwise has allowed their faith to corrupt their human morality.
Well let's start at the source then.
Do you think that the moral sense of Jesus of Nazareth was corrupted by His belief that ...[text shortened]... u please give an example from the Gospels of this "corrupted" morality in Jesus Christ.
Thankyou.
Thank you.
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@sonship saidWhen speaking to an atheist, referencing Jesus or the Bible as the 'source' of anything is pointless. - As an atheist, any reference I make to the Bible is purely academic. I think that is blatantly obvious in view of my atheism.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I don't recognize the authority of the Bible.
Thank you.
Then why out of the other side of your mouth do you relish to quote it?
Who is not meant to understand that you are pointing to it as some authority making YOUR points against Christians here?
Any God who is loving will not be in the business of tormenting people for all eternity. I don't care if this is a Christian God or otherwise.
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@sonship
“How precious is your steadfast love, O God! The children of mankind take refuge in the shadow of your wings.” (Psalm 36:7)
Reflect on that.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat authority do you go to for Biblical truth your feelings?
I don't recognize the authority of the Bible.
Thank you.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou think that is the truth so it is?
Yes, it is my belief that a loving deity wouldn't torment people for all eternity in the fires of hell, and that any Christian who thinks otherwise has allowed their faith to corrupt their human morality.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidQuestion for the sake of argument if God is real do you think He recognizes your authority over scripture?
I don't recognize the authority of the Bible.
Thank you.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou can cherry pick scripture to prove anything!
@sonship
“How precious is your steadfast love, O God! The children of mankind take refuge in the shadow of your wings.” (Psalm 36:7)
Reflect on that.
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@kellyjay saidRational thought and study.
What authority do you go to for Biblical truth your feelings?
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When speaking to an atheist, referencing Jesus or the Bible as the 'source' of anything is pointless.
No it is not. It is after all a historical document.
Paul's letters (except for a select few) are held by scholars of all stripes and persuasions to be historical documents. Atheist and Agnostic new Testament textural scholars believe there are authentic letters written by Paul.
They may disbelieve what he is saying. But they are documents and relevant to his personality and what he believed and taught.
Same with the four gospels and the book of Acts.
So out of one side of your mouth you dismiss the Bible as irrelevant as the source of anything. But when it is handy dandy to score some point with a Christian that it is authoritatively adjusting what that Christian has said, selectively its a good source.
I understand.
- As an atheist, any reference I make to the Bible is purely academic. I think that is blatantly obvious in view of my atheism.
Okay, from a purely "academic" stand point show me how Paul's morality was CORRUPTED because Paul spoke of eternal judgment.
Second Corinthians is about as close as you can get to the man's autobiography. And atheist scholars agree that it is an authentic historical document most likely written by Paul.
It is only 13 chapters. Can show me evidence of his morality being CORRUPTED ?
Any God who is loving will not be in the business of tormenting people for all eternity. I don't care if this is a Christian God or otherwise.
Okay Atheist, Let me ask you this. Now you do not believe in God. You do really not believe in a God who justifies eternally and judges eternally.
In your view of reality, is there such a thing as the worse possible offense that a living being could commit?
Perhaps in other words, do you believe there is something which above all things OUGHT NOT to be?
Is there in your worldview a greatest "ought not?"